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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 268 on the 7th of

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december 2013 richardsaunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia December

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already this yes all right stay there

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christmas is going vogue oh I do like

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Christmas I must admit I do like

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Christmas and this year I'll be spending

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Christmas Day in beautiful california in

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the San Francisco Bay Area looking

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forward to that but what can we look

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forward to on this episode of the

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skeptic zone we're going to kick off

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with Maynard spooky action more great

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interviews from the Australian skeptics

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National Convention Maynard's going to

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be chatting to highly Roberts and from

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the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters group more great information

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from a group of dedicated people up in a

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farm north bit of New South Wales

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fighting the anti-vaccination movement

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and he's going to be chatting to an old

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friend of ours push the lindley from

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victoria and wrapping up his series of

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interviews on this week's show with Iran

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say give the runza gives going to be

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chatting about Jews trying to take over

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the world probably not see what a run

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forgive has to say about this

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interesting conspiracy theory after that

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it's a wig ensigns from our friends at

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the Royal Institution of Australian www

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are I a US tour got a you and coming up

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soon on the skeptics own an extended

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interview with dr. Paul Willis and happy

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birthday dr. Paul Willis he's now

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entered the second part of the century

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his own personal century so to speak

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congratulations dr. Willis and what a

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pleasure an absolute pleasure it is to

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have you as a regular part of the

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skeptic zone don't worry Paul o lo I'll

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catch up to you in a couple of years

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save that over-50s parking spot for me

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after we can science a little bit more

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news from an upcoming talk in

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hembra by lawrence krauss and then a

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quick catch up with brian dunning from

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the skip toid podcast who's going to

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tell us all about his new book there's

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sceptile 8 and it's a great way for

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people who don't listen to podcast to

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find out all sorts of interesting bits

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and pieces that's coming up a little bit

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later on in the show and then to round

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off the show I chat a little bit about a

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recent television appearance I did

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talking about witchcraft well to be

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honest they asked me four or five

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questions most of which I answered in a

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positive fashion but of course the TV

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program cut all those out and just use

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the to where i was putting up the

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skeptics challenge and saying things

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like magic spells are nonsense it's a

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pity they didn't keep the others because

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they asked me if i have if the

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australian skeptics had a problem with

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people performing witchcraft or being

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which as I said no of course not you

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know what do you think this is the dark

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ages sigh sigh sigh anyway coming up

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later on in the show I talk a little bit

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about that and I go into some detail

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about the Australian skeptics $100,000

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challenge because a little bit tired of

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the misconceptions out there and the

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people coming back with the same old

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chestnuts year after year so if you're

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interested in the Australian skeptics

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$100,000 challenge and what it's all

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about is it fair and someone listen add

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towards the end of the show remember

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with the birds must be some parrots

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outside today hang on its okay pick up

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excuse me Christmas Pat you go over

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there let's open the window and the

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birds are chirping the sun is setting

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what a lovely scene it is well I can

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just gaze out the window and listen to

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the cars zooming down the street or or i

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can run downstairs i can open the pantry

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I can get out a jar of cookie new key

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heavens above and while I do that I hope

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here's my not spooky action at the

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here in fact there's some rather unusual

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unlike coal a petrified wood or maybe an

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old cat poo i'm not quite sure what that

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is it's it certainly was provocative

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that's for sure well being in the csiro

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science surely i'm gonna go with coal or

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petrified wood they don't do a lot of

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research into cat poo I do you know that

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person virtualization for that well

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they're always looking at okay citation

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painting with it anyway well we're here

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in the corner and hold on this side this

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there's ones that are completely blank

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thought they were Blake to is going to

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do my oh no I couldn't but apparently

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there's already out there that would not

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be welcome but it's very good to bump

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into you last time I spoke to was it

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skeptic camp in Sydney now tell us who

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you are what you've been up to since

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then okay yes I'm Heidi Robertson I'm a

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member in and an administrator of the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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group so we're a group of concerned

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community members up in the northern

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rivers region whereas most of you

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probably know we have a dangerously low

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immunization so we're working with

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people and the community in order to try

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and raise the levels of immunization up

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there and how difficult has it been so

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me coming out as a pro boxer in in that

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sort of a community but I'm out and I'm

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allowed and proud now so and we haven't

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come up against too much resistance yet

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relatively new on the scene and a lot of

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people don't know about us yet so maybe

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widespread among certain certain certain

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groups then we might pop a bit more

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grief but so far we've had a largely

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very positive response and it's been

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them gives them a little bit more

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standing than they should have just by

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having a debate in the first place or do

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engage with the community and do that I

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don't think there is a debate as far as

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vaccinations concerned certainly as far

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as science and medical research goes

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there there is no debate vaccination if

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you look at the risk-benefit analysis of

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it vaccination is a no-brainer and

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nobody is saying no probe AXA is saying

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that there are not risks involved in

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vaccination that's not what we're saying

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at all we're saying we are here to

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explain the risks to you and explain the

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risk benefit to you and then to go away

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with the right information in order to

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make the right decision and there's so

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much misinformation out there and what

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we're saying is that we're making a

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pledge to put the right information out

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there so you can make a good decision so

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we've got a website now that's up and

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running and we're adding more and more

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information to it all the time its

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northern rivers the vaccination

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supporters org and you can go there

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there's lots of links as well as all

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about lots of personal stories about how

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we've been affected by

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vaccine-preventable diseases there's

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also a contact form if anybody has

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specific concerns or questions about

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vaccinations they can privately email us

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through that contact form and we will

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with good solid scientific evidence what

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seems to be the one piece of

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misinformation that people have asked

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you about so far that seems that people

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able to maybe help people with there's

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so many there's still that lingering you

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know vaccine causes autism thing that is

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still out there which is of course been

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totally do back time and time again but

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it keeps rearing its head another really

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popular one is that the too many too

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soon with that all these vaccines

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overwhelm a baby's immune system which

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is absolute nonsense you know babies

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apparently get exposed to between two

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between two thousand six thousand

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different immune challenges every single

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day it's inconceivable that the vaccine

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schedule the Australian vaccination

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schedule in any way over well the baby's

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immune system now for someone like me

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and I ask people this and I asked dr.

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different answer if someone like me

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wanted to have the whooping cough

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vaccination would that be a useful thing

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contact with children I don't know when

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I don't know if I'm a carrier is that a

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very useful thing for someone my age to

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do or not well look you know Manor I'm

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not a doctor and I won't give medical

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advice I can give you that the

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information that I do know which is is

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that whooping cough the pertussis and

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vaccinations generally wears off within

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about ten ten years of having had it so

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contact with babies who haven't yet been

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able to complete the immunization

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schedule to have that booster but the

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unsure and you want to know about it is

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to go and talk to your GP and they can

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give you the best advice on that so

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know now that doesn't always happen in

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this life does it you ask someone they

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got this is what you should do now well

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that's right and that's what we really

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want to get across to people I'm a mum I

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something i'll point you to the people

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who can answer the question for you and

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an ICU specialist in there that knows a

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lot of stuff about it you know about

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medicine that's her job but we really

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other doctors the peer-to-peer approach

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and yes if we don't know the answer will

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go away we'll find out and we'll come

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back to you with the correct information

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have you been accused of being a shill

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for anybody yet um yeah ready well I can

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I thought like me out that I thought

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give it time but no straight away hey no

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it goes without saying if you're on

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Facebook in any type of thumb as a

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vaccination form inevitably you'll be

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called a farmer shell at some point

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so yeah apparently I'm a farmer shield

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which was news to me but still waiting

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for the check in the mail as they say

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and where can we go to find out more

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about what you're doing and maybe see

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what you up to yeah well mainly it's the

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website Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters Borg and we also have an open

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facebook page now as well and we don't

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actually allow comments on that facebook

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page purely because what we're saying

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before we don't think there's a debate

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so what we are doing is just putting

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information there with credible sources

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and if people have any specific

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questions to get in touch with us via

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our email address which is on on the

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website so either Facebook Northern

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Rivers supporters or the website thank

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you and enjoy the rest of the national

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conference today thank you you too you

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can't go too far at any skeptics

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gathering without bumping into postie

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Lindley you got the wrong Sinatra hey ho

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chi lin li you have got the wrong so

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look I was dressed as the ROM Sinatra

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temporarily last night when I had that

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hat on you were I had I was doing the

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Frank Sinatra tribute show called you

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got the wrong Sinatra briefly and I just

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saw a picture of you we're cuddling a

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dolly too I was asking i was asking that

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Dalek the hard questions I took a photo

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of paul willis with his blow-up doll

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like that he brought stroke of genius

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for the can of canberra skeptics to

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auction off their sets yes because i

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don't have to don't have to everything's

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sold that i have to pack up I just had

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to log in and then they sell everything

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and they walk home absolutely perfect I

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die I wanted a book and I didn't get a

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book but what has been the main

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attraction this weekend for you for this

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national skeptics conference post deal

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in there actually I like to talk with a

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Graham Wilson before on soon

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Donkey gotta say that's been my favorite

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as well because it was something I

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didn't know about something I thought

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was just a piece of propaganda in the

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first place but he was explaining why

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it's important to reveal it as such he

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is definitely passionate in Australian

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War history and it absolutely showed it

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just sort of drew me in and I think well

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I can go out and maybe buy a book on the

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Simpson donkey that he's got for sale

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well yeah obviously covers all sorts of

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areas is there an area you I know you've

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thought about giving a talk a few times

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you think is if you thought to give you

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a talk you're going to be giving it some

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sage possibilities when a door took on

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frederick valentich though publicly

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speaking i'll probably end up in tears

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but uh no frederick valentich she

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disappeared over Bass Strait in 1978

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bloodied our UFO conspiracy maybe maybe

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he's been found in Russia and also

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there's lobsters involved because one of

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the stories he gave as to why was going

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to King Island wasn't it the island who

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maybe pick up some lobsters or just

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flying there as experienced trip because

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he was not a well experienced flight a

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flyer but he was he had little nighttime

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flight experience already we've already

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I've already argued with mr. Brian

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Dunning about this on this very show for

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because I'm always interested in that

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metallic noise at the end that was

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coming from the radio what was that I

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can say what I think it could be is you

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know he's doing silly stuff in the air

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he's come across onto the ocean skidding

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across the ocean and that's what the

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sound could be Steve Robey the flight

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intra-flight traffic control guy he was

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actually a postie back a long time ago

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and I remember seeing

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re remember watching annex unexplained

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mysteries which was rebroadcast and he

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can't Electress in that episode and he

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came up on telly and I thought that's a

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guy from work so I spoke to him about it

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and he believes that it could have been

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something he's disappeared obviously but

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um Steve kind of maybe kind of believes

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that it could have been a UFO but I

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don't think he really does he's sort of

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on borderline about it but you know

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Frederick Valentich his father believed

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that he was abducted by UFOs East mother

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and father did they want to keep that

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going because they would rather believe

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that he's captured by aliens and

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actually dead and he's dead very wrapped

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in plastic maybe you never know

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emotionally you like going down that

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skeptic rabbit hole don't you yeah yeah

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definitely but valentin and the

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philadelphia experiment is my favorite

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as well wow that that one's all over the

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place that one yeah that's just

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the movie I think got me when it was

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first on with what's-his-name part

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Michael Perry and ever since then that

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sort of been one of those topics like

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looking into every now and then and I

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think if you look into that particular

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conspiracy it involves men sitting naked

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in chairs at one stage I believe and

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just melted bodies in the ship that sort

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of stuff you know boredom want to make a

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Canberra what's up tone has the Canberra

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skeptics conference got to it look it's

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it's quite nice actually it's small

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smaller than the Melbourne skeptics but

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it's still quite a there's been no

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troubles the talks have been great

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yesterday I just wandered off for a push

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bike ride around town which was Linda

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Blair didn't turn up until electro

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because Linda Blair was also been in

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Canberra coincidentally this weekend but

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she didn't turn up at the bookshop

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flight was delayed by three hours and I

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think there was something in that there

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could be some sort of conspiracy but you

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never know so it was tough look delayed

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three hours I couldn't make it because

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we had dinner and you know bad luck sir

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yeah but at least you've got a book to

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read about Simpson he's donkey yes yes I

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would like to know a little bit more

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about that especially how many people he

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could not carry on a donkey with one of

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the slides you showed which is pretty

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much everyone unless you had it like a

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you know like greys to your knee and

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that's a you know everyone else bugger

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off you can find the meat wagon and of

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course you hopping on your motorbike

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riding back to Melbourne no I came up in

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a car this time I motorbike swing

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service so every time I pick you there's

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either been some minor accident and it's

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not particularly usable or something

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come at the the back of a bus and ended

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up in the gutter and and there's Paul

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Willis where's he's Dalek I tell you

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what I just find it amazing that do you

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know just you be careful on that

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motorbike it's Melbourne it's Melbourne

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that's fine it's none of my push by its

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if it's not falling off my push bike

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it's falling up my motor by

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you know you just get back on well

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actually someone we haven't heard much

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from this weekend because he's been out

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the back doing deals is of course the

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head of the Australian Lord the ex-head

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of history and skeptics that that's why

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you weren't doing enough deal so who we

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got to you hi it's around segev now he's

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just you know a framing of the land I

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believe they call you know that's

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somebody else that's a mother quack then

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what did you have a chat about today I

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spoke about well as the title of the

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talk was how JEWS ruled the world but it

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really was not about that he was more

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about how the perception arose that Jews

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rule the world or you know more

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prominent than they should be and I

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looked into some historical statistics

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first and Jews are indeed in many areas

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more prominent than you would expect

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them to be based on just their their

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numbers in society but I also presented

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evidence presented evidence is to how

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prominent they are in certain areas and

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also looked at in two possible reasons

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as to why that has happened historical

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reasons and my should I go into more my

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conclusion know what well actually yeah

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at what point did this this really come

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out at what point did everyone go okay

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it is a juice fault was there a point

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where you've ever had to nail it down

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quite clearly when you say it is the

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Jews faulty me about Jesus would get a

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thing why did yes because that was one

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of the really injure but and also being

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Jewish this is a was it a cathartic at

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all to do this no no I mean you know in

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all the things that I in all the ways

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that i define myself jewish is not one

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of the top three you know it's not

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probably not one top-five i mean

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probably amateur astronomer comes before

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jew and definitely parents skeptic you

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know IT guy and you know and other

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things science lover come before that

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but but it is something that is

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obviously part of my upbringing in part

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of the culture of my family and you know

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people around me at least some people

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around me the reference to that Jesus

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thing was that I started looking at some

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of the things that worked against Jews

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over the years and I mentioned the Jesus

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thing and showed up the

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medieval image of Jesus being kissed by

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Judas so yeah so it definitely is

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something that has always worked against

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Jews but in Christian medieval Europe it

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that's when things really became very

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bad and again it see you know the kind

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of things that we see today with Judaism

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with Jews being in prominent positions

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especially in the West in many areas

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that is something that to a large extent

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not not completely but to a large extent

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arose out of that and did you get the

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interesting questions at the end of that

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there were a few people that want to

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pick you up on anything or people who

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wanted a clarification yeah so so yeah I

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got really interesting questions about

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you know justjust clarifications about

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all kinds of things that I've mentioned

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because obviously people here are less

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likely to know about Jewish culture so

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so there was just questions about that

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there was one person who quizzed me

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about my conclusion that genetics

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doesn't have much to do with it if

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anything at all and yeah he gave me some

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pointers to four things to look at I

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must admit that I does again the things

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that are not 100 sure about with regards

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to genetics but overall I think the case

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for culture is so compelling that it

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would vary be very difficult to overturn

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it so even if genetics does play some

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role it is probably not a significant

542
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role and the main the main reason that

543
00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:22,980
genetics probably doesn't play a major

544
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:25,110
role in the success of Jews in the world

545
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:27,990
today is that Jews are not one group

546
00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:31,350
genetically so if there were one group

547
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,180
then you might say okay well makes sense

548
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:35,520
but they're not so and I showed that it

549
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:37,500
with so using some family photos that

550
00:22:43,790 --> 00:22:39,450
show that i have mongaul ancestry hey

551
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:43,800
despite my European look and there's a

552
00:22:48,530 --> 00:22:46,410
few few clicks into talking Judaism here

553
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,540
there's a few things that and I know you

554
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:50,400
don't speak for the entire Jewish faith

555
00:22:54,590 --> 00:22:52,890
of course I do we all do every one of us

556
00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:54,600
that's right and there's a few things

557
00:22:59,840 --> 00:22:57,660
I've heard mentioned on podcasts just

558
00:23:02,480 --> 00:22:59,850
fleetingly about in an atheist podcast

559
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:02,490
about in Judah in Judaism in the u.s.

560
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:04,890
they talk about the self-hating Jew the

561
00:23:09,020 --> 00:23:06,690
concept of that I have no idea what that

562
00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:09,030
means is it an insult is it something to

563
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:09,470
do

564
00:23:23,030 --> 00:23:18,690
Jew who comes out publicly in criticism

565
00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:23,040
of Jews as not not specific Jews but

566
00:23:30,260 --> 00:23:28,230
Jews as Jews or Israel and also you're

567
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:30,270
talking more the State of Israel not so

568
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,010
much criticism of the religion as such

569
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:34,020
yeah well did it can be anything that's

570
00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:35,970
a thing it's it's a good way of

571
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:38,790
basically saying that they're basically

572
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they hate themselves they're ashamed of

573
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their heritage and all that and that's

574
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why they have the criticism now as

575
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somebody who is originally from Israel

576
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but has a lot of criticism of Israel I

577
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would probably if I if I went I mean I'm

578
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not a political person in terms of my

579
00:23:57,620 --> 00:23:54,570
public life and but I guess if I voice

580
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my opinions about Israel's policies in

581
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public I would be given the same

582
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:01,880
treatment of you know a self-hating Jew

583
00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:04,500
so but I don't know it's just it's just

584
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a thing it's just a way it's it's a bit

585
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:08,520
like you know I'm sure truthers have you

586
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:09,930
know just like sheep oh you know it's

587
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:11,610
almost like that it since it's the kind

588
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:12,930
of thing you say about the people that

589
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:17,310
you don't like so it's not it also been

590
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talking to some linguistic people about

591
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,290
the word pogrom which as a kid I thought

592
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:24,240
was a violent riot against people I

593
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later learned it was a violent riot

594
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against Jews I later learnt it was a

595
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violent state sponsored program against

596
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Judith but I've now heard the word being

597
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used to describe other space states

598
00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:38,880
sponsored activities against different

599
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:40,710
groups do you think it can ever be used

600
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:44,490
in any other context I yeah I think one

601
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:45,810
of the things you know one of the jokes

602
00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:48,810
I made during my talk was I mentioned

603
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:51,150
the anti-defamation league which is if I

604
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,410
said that it's an American organization

605
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:54,720
that gets is gets offended on behalf of

606
00:25:01,100 --> 00:24:57,270
Jews you know I just don't know i think

607
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:01,110
this sensitivity about you know but you

608
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:02,880
can't use the holocaust you can't joke

609
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:04,290
about the holocaust you can't say that

610
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something is like the Holocaust you know

611
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:09,270
when similarly programs i mean i think

612
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:10,410
we're getting a little bit precious

613
00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:11,650
about it I

614
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you can I don't think anybody can accuse

615
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me of not being sensitive to what the

616
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:17,440
Holocaust means I've had family lost in

617
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:20,770
the Holocaust I'm acutely aware of the

618
00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:22,990
significance of the Holocaust not just

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00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:26,260
to Jewish people but to civilization in

620
00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:29,230
general I think it's pro if anything

621
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:31,480
it's probably I probably overemphasize

622
00:25:37,050 --> 00:25:34,540
it's important imports that the fact the

623
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:37,060
fact that it's that important does not

624
00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:38,530
mean that other people did not have

625
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:43,900
atrocities act you know how should I say

626
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:46,870
did not i can think of the for example

627
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:50,590
of the armenian problem with with turkey

628
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:53,890
okay so you could say okay but Armenians

629
00:25:58,740 --> 00:25:56,530
are the only 1.2 million Armenians died

630
00:26:01,710 --> 00:25:58,750
and it really wouldn't exterminated in

631
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:01,720
camps and really the terse didn't really

632
00:26:06,810 --> 00:26:03,370
mean to kill them all they just meant to

633
00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:06,820
to you know because exile them drive

634
00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:09,280
them out but the reality is that 1.2

635
00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:10,750
million armenians which was more than

636
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:12,220
half of the armenian population of the

637
00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:14,410
world at the time perished during

638
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:16,030
something that was clearly well

639
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:21,210
organized and and in violent activity

640
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,530
whether the you know said do you use the

641
00:26:27,030 --> 00:26:24,880
word Holocaust what difference does it

642
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:27,040
make what did why is it offensive to

643
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:29,170
Jews that the word Holocaust is being

644
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:30,760
used something else similarly to

645
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:34,000
programs you know you know if the word

646
00:26:38,190 --> 00:26:36,010
fits then the news it so it's not

647
00:26:39,690 --> 00:26:38,200
exactly the definition of the definition

648
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:39,700
of the word so what I just don't

649
00:26:46,020 --> 00:26:41,920
understand that sensitivity hmm but I'm

650
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:46,030
not a very sensitive person and what do

651
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:47,650
you think most people have gotten out of

652
00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:49,450
this weekend here it's got a slightly

653
00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:51,190
different flavor being in Canberra being

654
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,780
organized by the Canberra skeptics or

655
00:26:56,970 --> 00:26:54,400
other things have been me the flavor the

656
00:26:58,740 --> 00:26:56,980
conspiracy flavor this weekend I first

657
00:27:01,500 --> 00:26:58,750
of all I thought that the this was the

658
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:01,510
perfect place for you to be

659
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:06,010
but I fell I thought a lot of the talks

660
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,110
were very very interesting and very good

661
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:10,480
that overall I thought it was it I mean

662
00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:12,100
we still have a couple of talks left but

663
00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:14,440
very good very good conference I thought

664
00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:18,270
it was good talks good organization they

665
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,700
really just I couldn't find faults in

666
00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:22,960
everything anything that happened here I

667
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:24,790
thought the humor around the

668
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,170
conspiracies and where everybody here

669
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:28,240
called Agent Smith and the little gags

670
00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:30,340
that they had with you know not

671
00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:32,110
providing information and you know or

672
00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:33,790
appearing not to provide information I

673
00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:36,280
thought it was cute no and I thought oh

674
00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:37,660
khuda stew them I thought they've done a

675
00:27:41,460 --> 00:27:40,060
really great job and of course of all

676
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:41,470
you got your head across a few

677
00:27:45,570 --> 00:27:43,930
conspiracies of all the conspiracies

678
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:45,580
even though there might be no evidence

679
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:47,770
to so they are valid is there any that

680
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:49,570
you would really like to be real or you

681
00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:53,220
think well that'd be cool it was real

682
00:27:57,780 --> 00:27:56,230
wow that's it that's a difficult one no

683
00:27:59,490 --> 00:27:57,790
conspiracy I know I don't think that's a

684
00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:59,500
no there's a lot of there's a lot of

685
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:01,240
whoo that I would like to be I mean

686
00:28:05,370 --> 00:28:03,550
definitely life after death would be

687
00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:05,380
great and being able to contact people

688
00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:07,420
after the after they've died that would

689
00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:08,590
be fantastic but in terms of

690
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:11,500
conspiracies it's almost conspirator

691
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:13,930
sure about that I mean if everyone had

692
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:17,110
ever died from your family that goes

693
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:19,240
back quite a way I mean like that would

694
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:20,530
mean there'd be a lot of communication

695
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:22,420
going on you wouldn't get a lot of peace

696
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:25,630
really well if you were optional in like

697
00:28:28,110 --> 00:28:26,680
you know you know he's like you know

698
00:28:29,580 --> 00:28:28,120
people still call me on call me on my

699
00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:29,590
phone I don't have to answer right so

700
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:33,340
yeah okay so uh that's great grandma

701
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:35,290
again now she can wait yes you can wait

702
00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:38,260
you out put just a good let it go to

703
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,350
voicemail but what what effect would

704
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:44,080
that have upon learning upon the economy

705
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:46,210
so you could always go that conspiracy

706
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,070
you know took it didn't hurt to talking

707
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,320
to him to the dead so if you could talk

708
00:28:54,150 --> 00:28:52,240
to Einstein you could talk to every

709
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:54,160
physicist at have been alive they could

710
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:55,810
update their information it's almost

711
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:57,490
like you know that would have a profound

712
00:29:02,550 --> 00:28:59,650
effect upon the label in a must admit

713
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:02,560
there's somebody only because I don't

714
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:04,150
think it's happening I haven't really

715
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:06,550
put my mind to it to that level I would

716
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:07,930
just you know this is just people we

717
00:29:10,860 --> 00:29:09,670
were were important in my life who have

718
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,870
died and i would like to get in touch

719
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:12,880
with them and just know you know

720
00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:14,290
tell them about my children and things

721
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:16,600
so it's not it's not that profound so I

722
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:19,690
could really go to the depths that

723
00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:21,700
you've gone into but as usual I'm

724
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:24,580
overthinking it probably yeah but in

725
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:26,170
terms of conspiracy theories I really

726
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:27,640
can't think because you see conspiracy

727
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:29,950
theories generally tend to be to assume

728
00:29:39,390 --> 00:29:35,610
malevolence and and and level of hate or

729
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:39,400
did you know design the malevolence is

730
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:41,610
probably the best word I'm trying to

731
00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:44,410
probably over this over describe it i

732
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:46,870
just know i don't think i would like any

733
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:48,670
to be true i mean first of all it's

734
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:51,010
worth remembering that conspiracies do

735
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,350
really happen what we talk about hearing

736
00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:54,880
about conspiracy theories as those

737
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,260
places where you just take the

738
00:29:59,760 --> 00:29:57,760
conspiracy to the nth degree and

739
00:30:00,930 --> 00:29:59,770
basically no amount of evidence will

740
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:00,940
convince you that there's no conspiracy

741
00:30:06,420 --> 00:30:04,060
and we know what actually happened and

742
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:06,430
you know yet you know people insist that

743
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:07,750
something else happened and they have no

744
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:10,030
evidence for it so i can't see any

745
00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:13,000
benefit to any conspiracy theories being

746
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:28,790
now on Belfast FM we turn to the

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news you need to know koala growls a

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00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:04,530
surprising ancient relative and gender

760
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:06,390
on the brain it's been a good week in

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science men are from Mars Women are from

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00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:17,910
Venus well not quite but a new study

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00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,850
using brain scan shows that we are wired

764
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:23,700
differently neural connections act like

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00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,040
a system of roads along which brain

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00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:28,440
traffic travels different connections

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00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:31,170
change the way we think act and function

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00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:33,810
big gender-based differences start to

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00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:36,300
appear in adolescence when females

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00:31:41,030 --> 00:31:38,580
develop better connections between the

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left and right sides of the brain while

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00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,410
males develop better connectivity within

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00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:46,080
each hemisphere the male brain seems to

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00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:47,580
be better for perception and

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00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:50,130
coordination while females are better

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00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:52,020
connected to combine logical and

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00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:54,390
intuitive reasoning other researchers

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00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,830
have pointed out that there is no

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evidence that these differences in

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00:32:03,520 --> 00:31:59,880
connections result in differences in

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00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:03,530
behavior between sexes

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00:32:08,290 --> 00:32:05,990
the DNA analysis of a four hundred

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00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,300
thousand year old human relative has

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00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:11,120
produced an unexpected result their

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00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:12,710
remains were found in an underground

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00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:15,410
cave in northern Spain and share many

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00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:16,970
physical characteristics with

788
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:19,850
Neanderthals however a DNA analysis

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00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:21,530
showed that the fossil was more closely

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00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:23,350
related to the recently discovered

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00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:26,120
Denisovans whose home range was not

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00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:27,980
thought to have extended into that

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:30,860
region this raises questions about human

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:33,290
evolution and the possible coexistence

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00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:36,530
of Neanderthals and Denisovans you're

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listening to a week in science from RI

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oz and now for science headlines in 30

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seconds nerves in our stomach may act

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like a body clock telling our brain that

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we are full at nighttime but hungry

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during the day gut contents of an

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ancient preserved cockroach showed that

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they were the primary Dino poo eaters of

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the prehistoric world targeting to

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specific proteins in men can stop sperm

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from getting into their ejaculating hope

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for a reversible male contraceptive and

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the koalas surprisingly deep growl comes

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from two vocal folds located outside

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mind of one of the most well-known names

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event for a more information about

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who i hope now has time to put his feet

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and joining me on the line from

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beautiful laguna niguel in California

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it's brian dunning I hope I got that

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right Brian you sure did indeed sir

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you're amazing I've been practicing

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practicing now we're catching up with

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00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:51,380
you because it's always good to catch up

872
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:53,240
with you and wow what a great interview

873
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:55,820
on the skeptic zone a couple of weeks

874
00:37:00,070 --> 00:36:58,070
ago with may night you two had a great

875
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:00,080
time oh isn't he always tons of fun I

876
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:03,010
always loved talking to Maynard he is

877
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and but I'm catching up with you today

878
00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:09,380
because the big news is that you've

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released another book tell us all about

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00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:14,840
it Sceptile number five massacres

881
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:19,190
monsters and miracles as as regular

882
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:21,950
listeners to the sceptile cast might

883
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:24,920
know about about about once a year I

884
00:37:32,350 --> 00:37:28,490
take the best 50 episodes and compile

885
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them into a book and the transcriptions

886
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they're adapted for print but they're

887
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:35,810
there they follow the podcast very

888
00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:39,950
closely and this one is just all kinds

889
00:37:47,110 --> 00:37:43,430
of fun we've got two massacres a number

890
00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:47,120
of monsters and at least one miracle and

891
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:48,620
all kinds of other great so you know the

892
00:37:53,710 --> 00:37:51,410
one thing it's tough about podcasts is

893
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:53,720
that a lot of people still don't really

894
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:55,940
even know what they are and if you tell

895
00:37:59,260 --> 00:37:57,650
you know your neighbor or your mom or

896
00:38:01,450 --> 00:37:59,270
your friend or I listen to this great

897
00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:01,460
podcast more than likely they're going

898
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:04,580
to say what the heck is a podcast and so

899
00:38:09,610 --> 00:38:07,160
the books have been especially important

900
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:09,620
for my show as a way that a lot of

901
00:38:14,020 --> 00:38:11,930
people can share the content who don't

902
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:14,030
otherwise know what a podcast is or know

903
00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:16,760
even how to listen to so the books are

904
00:38:23,290 --> 00:38:20,350
great I I li recommend them well like I

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00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:23,300
have to agree I have to agree i gave my

906
00:38:30,130 --> 00:38:26,390
mother a present about a year or so ago

907
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:30,140
of a three or four of your books and she

908
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,430
loved them she thought they were

909
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:33,680
fantastic because she's not the sort of

910
00:38:38,140 --> 00:38:35,330
person who would listen to a podcast so

911
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:38,150
she enjoyed them immensely yeah yeah

912
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:40,910
they're the end there since that since

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the chapters are all single subject and

914
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:45,319
fairly brief

915
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:48,049
they're also a great way to if you have

916
00:38:51,939 --> 00:38:50,209
a one particular issue that you know one

917
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:51,949
of your friends is challenging you about

918
00:38:56,229 --> 00:38:54,529
whether it's you know who knows organic

919
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:56,239
food whatever it is you can give them

920
00:39:01,269 --> 00:38:58,249
just the the chapter in the book and and

921
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:01,279
and you're all you're all covered so

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00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:02,930
that's fantastic it's the fifth book in

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00:39:07,569 --> 00:39:05,180
this series and I imagined over six

924
00:39:09,279 --> 00:39:07,579
seven eight and ninth and on and on it

925
00:39:11,799 --> 00:39:09,289
will go because you have so many

926
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:11,809
episodes what episodes ah how many

927
00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:13,249
episodes have skipped out of there being

928
00:39:19,539 --> 00:39:15,920
now let's see I believe we're on 392

929
00:39:21,219 --> 00:39:19,549
right so I keep trying to catch up to

930
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,229
the skeptics guide to the universe they

931
00:39:26,890 --> 00:39:23,359
always seem to be about 30 episodes out

932
00:39:28,509 --> 00:39:26,900
of me and I don't I I think I'm catch I

933
00:39:30,969 --> 00:39:28,519
think I'm narrowing in on their on their

934
00:39:32,589 --> 00:39:30,979
lead though you could you just released

935
00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:32,599
a couple of specials and then you can

936
00:39:36,759 --> 00:39:34,549
overtake them you know the longer we go

937
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:36,769
the closer I get to them percentage-wise

938
00:39:42,699 --> 00:39:40,400
so instead of regarding it as an

939
00:39:44,469 --> 00:39:42,709
absolutely converging series i think i

940
00:39:47,949 --> 00:39:44,479
think of adventure alee i will actually

941
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:47,959
reach them mmm mathematically incorrect

942
00:39:53,799 --> 00:39:50,390
isn't it an absolutely converging series

943
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:53,809
would actually reach them if it did

944
00:39:59,199 --> 00:39:56,690
eventually yes somebody needs to fill us

945
00:40:00,880 --> 00:39:59,209
in or correct there are some pundits let

946
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:00,890
the listen this ponder that one thank

947
00:40:08,529 --> 00:40:05,170
you no it's it's great news because our

948
00:40:10,539 --> 00:40:08,539
fantastic and easy to digest I mean if

949
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:10,549
you've got 10 minutes or something you

950
00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:12,170
can read a couple of chapters because

951
00:40:16,059 --> 00:40:13,940
they are very concise that's one of the

952
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,069
great things about the podcast too and I

953
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:17,839
write it about a fifth grade level so

954
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:23,359
it's easy for anyone we had a hobby like

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00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:25,849
me this this this book I did through a

956
00:40:31,449 --> 00:40:28,910
Kickstarter program because it's a it's

957
00:40:32,979 --> 00:40:31,459
a huge amount of time and labor to

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00:40:35,859 --> 00:40:32,989
actually compile everything into a book

959
00:40:40,269 --> 00:40:35,869
and get it formatted and do the indexing

960
00:40:42,219 --> 00:40:40,279
and and and and everything and so it

961
00:40:44,349 --> 00:40:42,229
just in my schedule I just couldn't

962
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:44,359
manage it unless unless there was a

963
00:40:48,759 --> 00:40:46,910
Kickstarter program and it went great it

964
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was it fully funded and it was

965
00:40:53,890 --> 00:40:51,799
successful so then what I had to do was

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get everything finished get at the book

967
00:40:57,009 --> 00:40:55,489
indexed and formatted and get it

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00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:57,019
converted to ebooks and all that fun

969
00:41:03,510 --> 00:40:58,690
stuff and then

970
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:03,520
we ordered the books they came pretty

971
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quickly in about a week or two just 20

972
00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:09,910
30 giant boxes of books it was a huge

973
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:11,260
mess we had a whole bunch of people over

974
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:13,290
here we had a boxing and shipping party

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00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:15,550
labeling and posting the boxes and

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00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:19,210
everything and then about 23 days later

977
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:23,560
a car not a mail truck but a mail car

978
00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:25,960
came up to the house with one envelope

979
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:29,560
in one book or one box and said here

980
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:31,150
we've got a whole bunch of these you

981
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:32,410
guys need to come back to the post

982
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:34,270
office and pick them up because the

983
00:41:41,970 --> 00:41:38,980
customs forms weren't correct so we had

984
00:41:44,609 --> 00:41:41,980
to go and collect three giant postal

985
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,619
Ben's worth of these little book size

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00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:46,660
boxes and bring them back to the house

987
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:48,760
and here about a week and a half later

988
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:50,650
we're still going through and manually

989
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:53,410
handwriting these customs forms so if

990
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:54,910
anyone out there is listening right now

991
00:41:59,099 --> 00:41:57,490
and did order some books through the

992
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,109
Kickstarter program and haven't gotten

993
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,079
them yet that's why they're on the floor

994
00:42:06,930 --> 00:42:04,960
in my family room as the piles gradually

995
00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:06,940
getting smaller and smaller writing

996
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:08,980
these customs Forbes so even though the

997
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:10,690
Kickstarter program was successful it's

998
00:42:14,819 --> 00:42:11,680
going to end up being one of those

999
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:14,829
projects that was the lowest dollar per

1000
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:17,670
hour project I ever worked on in my life

1001
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,470
well I'm sure the people out there who

1002
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,000
were involved in kickstarter will

1003
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,400
appreciate the fact that you put so much

1004
00:42:28,859 --> 00:42:27,280
effort into this and maybe a little bit

1005
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:28,869
of unexpected effort as well but i'm

1006
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:30,130
sure they're looking forward to getting

1007
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:32,950
those books i ah well better be they

1008
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:34,450
damn well better be I've had a sneak

1009
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:36,760
peek of the e-book myself and it's look

1010
00:42:41,089 --> 00:42:38,470
it works really well as an e-book looks

1011
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:41,099
great who wrote the foreword this time

1012
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:43,450
you know the forward actually was

1013
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:45,310
written by a gentleman named Ron Hayden

1014
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:48,750
he works in the tech sector up in

1015
00:42:56,339 --> 00:42:53,710
Silicon Valley and I actually put a

1016
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:56,349
Kickstarter reward out there and let

1017
00:43:02,609 --> 00:42:59,680
kind of somebody anyone who wanted to

1018
00:43:04,859 --> 00:43:02,619
grab the the gold ring as they put it on

1019
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:04,869
of the largest donation amounts would

1020
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:06,790
get to write the forward and I was

1021
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:10,000
extremely gratified that that he did

1022
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:11,260
that he's been he's been a great

1023
00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:12,370
supporter of the

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00:43:17,830 --> 00:43:15,380
since its inception and I was I was

1025
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:17,840
really thrilled to have Ron write the

1026
00:43:21,810 --> 00:43:19,430
foreword for the book and he did a great

1027
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:21,820
job to its it's really a neat forward

1028
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:24,770
it's all good news brian there you are

1029
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,450
listeners it's it's the new book from

1030
00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:28,160
brian dunning if you love the podcast

1031
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:30,230
you'll love the books Brian how can

1032
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:31,850
people get their hands on their very own

1033
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:35,270
copy well it's actually available in all

1034
00:43:40,030 --> 00:43:36,950
countries right now it should be

1035
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:40,040
available in all countries on amazon if

1036
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,530
you can always go to sceptile calm and

1037
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:45,200
click on books and there's links to all

1038
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,700
the places you can buy it online and

1039
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:49,040
it's available in all ebook formats for

1040
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:50,450
only five dollars so it's a great

1041
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:55,040
bargain for ibooks kindled nooks what

1042
00:43:59,290 --> 00:43:57,110
have you just search for sceptile and

1043
00:44:02,200 --> 00:43:59,300
you'll find it on pretty much any online

1044
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:02,210
store of your choice good news that's

1045
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:03,770
great news and Brian oh there any more

1046
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:07,040
Australian themed skip do it yeah I

1047
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:09,890
actually spoke on a radio show a couple

1048
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:13,430
of days ago from Arizona and they wanted

1049
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:15,320
to talk about all of my Arizona themed

1050
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:19,430
podcast the last so yea though I guess

1051
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:21,170
Frederick villain touch was the most

1052
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:26,180
recent Australian themed show and did we

1053
00:44:31,150 --> 00:44:28,490
solve that mystery I don't know I think

1054
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:31,160
I i I'd like to think you did I think we

1055
00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:33,110
did to my satisfaction the whole thing

1056
00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:35,780
so the other mystery is of course is who

1057
00:44:41,650 --> 00:44:38,360
who did the voice of Valenti sioned and

1058
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:41,660
the Melbourne base but will let

1059
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:44,450
listeners pond of that that was it well

1060
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:45,650
you know I don't do a very good

1061
00:44:54,310 --> 00:44:49,220
Australian accent I tried I did my best

1062
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:54,320
Steve Irwin crikey um nobody bought it

1063
00:45:00,370 --> 00:44:57,740
so i did i did find myself a token

1064
00:45:02,590 --> 00:45:00,380
australian to talk more about that boys

1065
00:45:08,110 --> 00:45:02,600
I'm sure he's still waiting for his

1066
00:45:11,230 --> 00:45:08,120
check what's your daddy you decide you

1067
00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:11,240
decide brian dunning all the way from

1068
00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:14,300
California working hard on the next

1069
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:16,280
episode of skipped I'd thanks very much

1070
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:18,650
and we look forward to reading the book

1071
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:40,030
astronomy cast takes a fact space

1072
00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:41,930
journey through the cosmos as it offers

1073
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:43,820
listeners weekly discussions on

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00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:46,490
astronomical topics ranging from planets

1075
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:49,430
to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

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Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela gay

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of southern illinois university

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edwardsville this show brings the

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questions of an avid astronomy lover

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directly to an astronomer together

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Fraser and I explore what is known and

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being discovered about the universe

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around us join us each week as we take a

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fax space journey through the cosmos at

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astronomy cast calm a couple of nights

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ago I was on a program in Australia here

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called the project while they use very

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brief clips of me this story was about

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witches and witchcraft in Australia and

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the two points I made sort of randomly

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thrown into the story were that if

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someone is claiming that they can use

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day at he's in order to cast spells and

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I would think that would be up there

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with unicorns and the other point I made

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is if any witch out there could use

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magic spells or could prove they use

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magic spells they would be in line for

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our $100,000 prize of course I stand by

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both statements I don't think for one

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moment there are deities hiding around

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in rocks and streams and rivers and

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trees that can be used in any fashion to

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do something but if I am wrong of course

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or if somebody calling themselves

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whatever they they want can use magic to

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cast a spell then yes that would qualify

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for the $100,000 prize I have since been

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schooled on Facebook that in fact

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modern witches do not claim to use

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supernatural or paranormal abilities and

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casting a spell is somewhat more mundane

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than we might have thought it's more a

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psychological process be that as it may

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the two statements stand if someone can

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use magic when powers and i would say

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suggest that magic powers is by

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definition something beyond the known

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laws of physics then of course that

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qualifies for our prize which got me

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thinking about the Australian skeptics

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$100,000 prize if you're interested in

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applying are the money is there and this

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is from our webpage at wwc XCOM au /

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features / prize with my added

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commentary the $100,000 prize do you

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have psychic or paranormal powers we

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don't mean illusion or trickery as stage

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magic we mean things like extra sensory

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perception telepathy telekinesis Reiki

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divining for water or materials

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clairvoyance and predicting the future

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now here's my first note that also

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applies to people who claim that they

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can do things using energies as yet

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unknown to science that's why Reiki is

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in there now you might call Reiki

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paranormal or supernatural or you may

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choose to say no that's using a natural

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energy to us that's not so important the

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point is as far as we know Reiki has yet

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to be proven to be real so that's why

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that's sort of in the list and that's

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why we don't dogged Lee stick to some

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definition of paranormal or supernatural

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if it's something beyond the known laws

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of physics which you can demonstrate

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then please step up the page goes on

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skeptics challenge since 1980 Australian

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skeptics has issued a challenge to

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people who claim to have extra

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my powers to demonstrate their ability

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under proper observing conditions the

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first person to do so shall receive a

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great deal of recognition and prestige

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as well as meeting the requirements for

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the awarding of the one hundred thousand

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dollars now another note here sometimes

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people say are we don't want to take

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your challenge because we don't want all

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the publicity we don't want people to

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know we're psychic or words that effect

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which is a bit strange sometimes because

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there are a lot of people out there

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trumpeting the fact that they have

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special magical paranormal abilities and

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powers and putting ads in newspapers and

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boasting about it so some of these

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people don't like to keep their light

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under a bushel it goes on we make this

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offer because we are sincere about

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seeking up the truth of claims that

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might be described as paranormal or that

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confront accepted laws of science this

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is absolutely true I'd like to know if

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there's something out there that science

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is here to discover we see many such

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claims made by profess psychics peerless

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witnesses to paranormal events and those

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selling devices which do the apparently

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improbable or even impossible ie defy

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scientific laws if there really is a way

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to generate free energy or read minds or

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to communicate with extraterrestrials or

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to tell the future we want to tell the

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world and in our own way give the

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claimant proper recognition now one in

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there about contacting extraterrestrials

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is interesting I I would say that if

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somebody figured out a way to

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communicate with extraterrestrials

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unless it was using telepathy that may

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not qualify I'm not sure about that one

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because the claim of extraterrestrials

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is not actually a paranormal claim it's

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quite possible that there are aliens and

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other planets and it's quite possible

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they're visiting earth I just think it's

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very unlikely if they do if one pops

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down tomorrow then that's not a

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paranormal or supernatural claim that

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simply part of the natural

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universe we live in I'm not holding my

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breath for that at the moment though it

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goes on on the other hand if a claim is

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proved to be unfounded or fraudulent we

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reserve the right to expose this

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situation so that clients do not waste

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their money and time on a product or

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service that fails and can only ever

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fail to deliver what is claimed for it

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now this I think is really aimed at

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people who are insincere they were

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duping the public who are out to make a

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buck based on what they know is a fake

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false premise ah it's not aimed at

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people who are sincere i would suggest

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we're not out too really democrat

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sincere people in either case we think

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the public deserves to have the right to

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know the truth consequently the skeptics

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challenge is a genuine and serious

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undertaking and the $100,000 prize is a

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genuine offer this is absolutely true

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one of the amongst the myriad of excuses

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we get why people don't want to take the

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challenge is it's not genuine the

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skeptics really don't have the money and

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we're just out to make false of people

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well the money is really there if it's

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not if you if you don't think it's there

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if you think where out to where lying or

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something then exposes please do it goes

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on what do you have to do naturally for

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this amount of money there are a few

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rules and conditions which apply if you

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wish to try for the challenge you should

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contact us for full details briefly this

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00:53:45,690 --> 00:53:42,670
is what you have to do you first apply

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in writing telling us the following very

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clearly and concisely one what exactly

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is your paranormal claim to under what

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conditions can you perform your claim

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three what success rate do you expect

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then and only then can we begin to

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design a test one that is in accord with

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your claims now I'll take a moment here

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to explain that we get bizarrely

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repeatedly people saying to us all the

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skeptics prize

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is rigged or it's it's never done to the

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person's claim door trying to indicate

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that we're not sincere where is this has

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been in writing on our webpage for years

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and years and years that the tests are

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designed with the help of the claimant

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and they're designed based upon the

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claims the claimant is making so if

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someone says they can divine for water

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we won't test them for clairvoyants it's

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the wrong claim I can't state that

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enough it's it's an old chestnut and

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people keep repeating it that goes on

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representatives from Australian skeptics

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will work with you to define a suitable

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and mutually agreed test procedure and

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to select an independent umpire again I

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mean this independent umpire it's so

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somebody can keep an eye on us and on

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the claimant and make sure everything is

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aboveboard and fair the test will be run

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by an approved panel of officers of

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Australian skeptics if you are

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successful you will be awarded a hundred

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thousand dollars the results of this

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test whether successful or not will be

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published in the skeptic the magazine of

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Australian skeptics the news media may

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also be invited to witness any tests

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notes on the challenge Australian

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skeptics is a nonprofit organization so

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any costs involved have to be borne by

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the applicant unless we agree to other

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arrangement and note on this I look if

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somebody can do their claim if they can

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really read the mind or talk to the dead

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or whatever is they want to do then the

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small cost it might cost them in setting

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up a test or flying to see us or

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whatever the case may be will be repaid

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many times over when they win the 100

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thousand dollar prize we can't really

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foot the bill for all these tests simply

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because we'd go broke very quickly

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00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:23,620
someone would say oh I can divine for

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water but you need to dig up my farm

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here's the bill for ten thousand dollars

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for the

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etc or whatever the case may be we

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simply don't have the funds to fork out

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for every claimants demands that come

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along it just doesn't work that way but

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as I said if you can really do it then

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the small amount of money you have to

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cough up or even if it's a couple of

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thousand dollars i mean that will be

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rewarded to you will return to you many

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times when you win if you'd like to

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00:56:56,779 --> 00:56:54,839
receive more information about the

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00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:56,789
challenge please send an email to the

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challenge coordinator and that's our

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link on the website or contact your

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00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:03,180
local branch and you can see a list of

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local branches on the website each test

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is tailored for the individual

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challenger there it states it again if

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it wasn't clear enough before it states

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it again each test is tailored for the

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individual Challenger the Challenger

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must assist with the design of the test

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in order that their specific ability is

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properly tested the rules are simple so

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we can't state it more clearly than that

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here are some of the rules of course

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these are all up for negotiation

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somewhat when we come to designing the

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test the test protocol is designed with

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the help of the Challenger and within

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the controls is flexible only when both

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the Australian skeptics and the

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00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:53,789
challenge are satisfied that the test is

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within the guidelines and can be

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successfully completed does the test go

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ahead during the test and independent

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umpire is on hand to ensure the protocol

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is followed this is a person agreeable

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both to the Challenger and to the

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skeptics the Challenger must beat

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million-to-one odds against a chance

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result now this is interesting some

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people have come back to us and said oh

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that's just ridiculous a million to one

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well you can think of it this way if you

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can really do the claimed feat ability

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then a million to one is meaningless

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it's it's it's easy for example if

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someone sits down to play the piano say

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mary had a little lamb by the time they

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finish playing mary had a little lamb

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they had

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beaten odds of billions to one because

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if you just sit down a piano and hit

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random notes the chances of you getting

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mary had a little lamb are literally

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billions to one the same on a keyboard

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if you type hello and welcome to the

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skeptics are on a keyboard you've beaten

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odds which are probably millions to one

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so if you can really do your acclaimed

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ability of course you can beat

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million-to-one odds that's what people

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do all the time when they can really do

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something again this million to one is a

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guideline it depends on the person's

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claim the test must give a definite yes

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or no result that means we try to remove

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any gray area for both parties sake in

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other words we don't want the skeptics

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to say well you nearly got it but that's

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not good enough sorry we're going to

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fail you and we don't want the challenge

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to say well I nearly got it and that's

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good enough so that's a pass it has to

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be very clear on in each run of the test

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with that's how the test works that

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oliva passes or fails it's a yes or no

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and there's no wiggle worm for the

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skeptics all the Challenger if the

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Challenger is found to be cheating the

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test is terminated and I daresay if the

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independent umpire found the skeptics to

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be cheating the test would also be

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terminated following a successful test

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the prize will be paid to the Challenger

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and or any person or organization you

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may nominate in other words if you want

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us to keep the money we will if you want

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us to give the money to the eye hospital

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:21,540
we will ought to the cat Protection

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Society or to your mother or whoever and

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that is illustrated in the next point

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which says the prize may be distributed

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in any way the successful challenges

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sees fit to a trust charity or some

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01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:37,140
other person there is no need for the

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Challenger to come into contact with the

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money at all if he or she so chooses the

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01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,270
money is offered in the genuine hope

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that we are able to advance the

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investigation the claims of the

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paranormal

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Australian skeptics does not seek to

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embarrass all ridicule anyone now

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01:00:59,339 --> 01:00:57,099
another quick point that you would find

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out when you begin the process is that

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there are it's a two-stage process and

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this is the same with a James Randi

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Educational Foundation to we have at a

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preliminary test which is more relaxed

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and more informal in which we invite the

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applicant to demonstrate and it can be

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in front of a independent umpire to

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demonstrate to us the claim the ability

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if they can do that to the satisfaction

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of us into their monthly independent

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01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:32,710
empire then we proceed to the full-blown

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01:01:41,009 --> 01:01:38,529
test why do we do this well it's so that

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we have a good chance of awarding the

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01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:44,619
money to the successful applicant in

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01:01:50,009 --> 01:01:46,930
other words if someone really can't do

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01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,019
their claim for whatever reason we'd

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01:01:54,749 --> 01:01:52,240
rather find out a bit earlier on before

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too much time and effort and money from

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:00,730
any party is spent then after we do a

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01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,450
big formal test but again if they a

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person can really do what they claim

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01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:08,980
they can do then the informal more

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01:02:16,499 --> 01:02:12,220
relaxed test with lower benchmarks for

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01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:16,509
passing should be a piece of cake no one

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01:02:23,249 --> 01:02:20,470
has ever passed the informal part of the

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test the part of the test with a lower

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01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:26,890
passing mark so make of that what you

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and

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:52,580
zone I think next week i might slot in

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:54,110
the interview with dr. Paul Willis from

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01:02:57,340 --> 01:02:55,850
the National Convention yeah I'll see if

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I can do that and things again to me

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01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:02,470
nerd who was so busy at the convention

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01:03:11,170 --> 01:03:07,640
and he was so grateful to the listeners

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01:03:12,820 --> 01:03:11,180
those listeners and I'm grateful to who

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01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:12,830
chipped in to help get may nod to the

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01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:14,600
convention we got him a lovely hotel

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01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:16,990
room so he was nice and comfortable and

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01:03:22,450 --> 01:03:19,730
breakfast so no it was great it's really

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01:03:24,190 --> 01:03:22,460
nice to her to know that there are

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:24,200
listeners out there who like to support

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01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:25,970
the skeptic zone and thank you for doing

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:28,970
so anyway yes lots of interviews coming

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01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:31,250
up from Maine and lots over the next

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01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:36,770
coming weeks now before I go and because

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01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:42,500
I get so many requests to to this I'm

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01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:45,200
going to do this time I'm going to throw

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01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:48,350
810 sided die 10 sided normally it's a

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01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:49,820
20 so I'll give you a better chance

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01:04:02,730 --> 01:03:54,590
think of a number from 1 to 10 use your

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01:04:08,590 --> 01:04:06,430
seven until next week this is Richard

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01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:08,600
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:14,660
Australia you've been listening to the

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skeptic zone

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visit our website at www skeptics on TV